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Deanb · Member Joined: 07 Dec 2005 Posts: 69

Hi Pronay,

Our branches in Europe do prefer to offer Fire branding as it is a quicker process and they believe that the quality of the branding is better - we prefer ink in Australia and have no issues with ink at all and in my opinion the graphics are superior. A lot depends on the printing equipment, we have avery good ink printer in Australia and to customer preference is for ink branding. The ink printer they have may not be as good as ours, which would explain the difference. - I trust this explains the comments by our rep in Austria.

As for the binder - it is polyurethene, but not the traditional type, it is very highly refined, with all the relevent certification.

The other compound is Microspheres as expained earlier, but their role is not as a binder but as a filling compound, which effectively; fills the gaps between the cork granuals.

I have a good graphic of this if I can work out how to get it posted, which I will try to do.

Trust this clarifies.

Cheers,

Dean

SueNZ · Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 3:20 pm Post subject:

Hi Dean,
There is one thing that irks me with Diam and that is I don't know there is a Diam inside until I actually open the bottle. So at this stage, if I have a choice of two wines and one has a screwcap closure and the other has what looks like a cork closure, I will take the screwcapped wine every time.
OK, so maybe I know some producers are using Diam, but with the uptake here in NZ (Vinko says about 150-plus producers are using Diam here now), there are plenty of producers who are not telling us that they are. And sometimes I am forgetful, so I want to know there is a Diam inside when the wine is sitting on the shelf or when I am choosing a wine to take to a friends place for dinner. Maybe a neck tag (but they fall off), or better still, the Diam symbol on the capsule.
Is there any move towards this? It would be great for cork-taint haters if there was.
Regards,
Sue Courtney

Dan Clarke · Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 3:45 pm Post subject:

Funny you should say that Sue. I always felt the same way. Diam do have neck tags available. And we did toy with outting something on the capsule. But in the end we just modified the back label.

And yes, this still has errors. It's 98% ready though,

Antonio · Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 3:48 pm Post subject:

DCB must have written that drivel on the pack....pfffffffffffftttttttttttt!

Dan Clarke · Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 4:06 pm Post subject:

pronay · Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 4:41 pm Post subject:

Dean,

thank you for clarification.
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Matau · Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 5:49 pm Post subject:

Mark G · Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 6:03 pm Post subject:

We were going to put on our back label "naturally sealed with a screwcap", then we noted that we would be in breach of copyright. After the initial contact/exchange, Murray's lawyers spoke to our lawyers, letters were sent, affadivits were signed, memorandums of understanding were compiled, ..... well we ended up writing nothing of the sort and relied on peoples good sense to select a wine that has obviously been naturally sealed with a screwcap .... Very Happy

Cheers

Mark G

PS: Does this begin the screwcap / cork wars again? If so let antonio begin with some hare krishna harangueing, Matau with some devil's advocate responses, and GW with sublime commonsense ... forward!!
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SueNZ · Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 8:30 pm Post subject:

Deanb · Member Joined: 07 Dec 2005 Posts: 69

Hi All,

Dan - thank you for presenting your back label in such a way, I like it!

Sue - the points that you raise are very valid and we recognise the need to have closure disclosure! - we have tried to encourage the wineries that we supply to use a neck tag (available from us) or a note on the label. The best would be the capseal - up front and obvious.

A wine with Screwcap is obvious and any other bottle could be anything, Diam, plastic, nat cork etc, you don't know until you open the bottle.

The problem that we have is that it is really a winemaker / wine producer decision, we can only offer to help with artwork, neck tags etc. We cannot impose.

It's strange because we always print Diam and a logo on the cork itself - one client asked us not to print our logo on the Diam and we elected not to supply the client. I think it is important that every Diam carries the logo - in case of imitations etc.

So in short I agree 100% - and any suggestions that help us create awareness are welcome.

Cheers,

Dean

Deanb · Member Joined: 07 Dec 2005 Posts: 69

Hi All,

Dan - thank you for presenting your back label in such a way, I like it!

Sue - the points that you raise are very valid and we recognise the need to have closure disclosure! - we have tried to encourage the wineries that we supply to use a neck tag (available from us) or a note on the label. The best would be the capseal - up front and obvious.

A wine with Screwcap is obvious and any other bottle could be anything, Diam, plastic, nat cork etc, you don't know until you open the bottle.

The problem that we have is that it is really a winemaker / wine producer decision, we can only offer to help with artwork, neck tags etc. We cannot impose.

It's strange because we always print Diam and a logo on the cork itself - one client asked us not to print our logo on the Diam and we elected not to supply the client. I think it is important that every Diam carries the logo - in case of imitations etc.

So in short I agree 100% - and any suggestions that help us create awareness are welcome.

Cheers,

Dean

Notorious Glug · Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:52 am Post subject:

Mark G · Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:55 am Post subject: